滴普科技楊磊：企業數字化轉型中的場景與機遇丨QCon

{"type":"doc","content":[{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"在企業進行數字化轉型的過程，需求不可能一成不變，對於數字化的理解也是隨着業務規模的發展而不斷深入的。因此，作爲全場景數據智能服務商，滴普科技需要比企業更深刻地洞察數字化轉型的方式、技術、發展與意義。也只有把握住行業發展的大趨勢，充分發揮技術在企業轉型中的驅動作用，才能確保滴普科技始終能夠從技術層面爲企業的數字化業務賦能。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"基於此，滴普科技研發了Deepexi DXP數字體驗平臺、DataFacts數據智能服務、FastData雲原生數據庫、OpenKube企業級雲原生架構等一系列數字化能力，從雲原生底層能力到企業上層應用場景，全場景覆蓋企業的技術與業務訴求，從根本上爲企業提供全面的數字化轉型服務。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"在 "},{"type":"link","attrs":{"href":"https:\/\/qcon.infoq.cn\/2021\/beijing\/","title":null,"type":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"QCon 2021 全球軟件開發大會"}]},{"type":"text","text":"上，InfoQ 記者有幸採訪到了滴普科技聯合創始人& Deepexi 事業羣總裁楊磊，由他親自講解滴普科技在服務企業數字化轉型中的一些理解與思考。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"以下是視頻採訪內容，爲方便讀者查看，視頻下方也附上了文字內容。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"embedcomp","attrs":{"type":"video","data":{"id":"385736","name":"楊磊.mp4","poster":"https:\/\/static001.infoq.cn\/resource\/image\/f7\/d6\/f70a12ff2c6b21a3ac36698a9d7537d6.png","url":"https:\/\/media001.geekbang.org\/25f35d50100a436a9307881c34d31f31\/4da3017787b8454495caea48bed27d58-719016b17c7705db331d32d3e05da579-sd.m3u8"}}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ"},{"type":"text","text":"：非常感謝您參加 QCon 2021 的視頻採訪。首先，能請您從技術角度、業務場景等方面簡單介紹一下滴普科技嗎？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"楊磊"},{"type":"text","text":"：滴普科技是目前國內企業服務市場中數據智能賽道下最具發展潛力的公司，公司的定位是做全場景數據智能服務商。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"這裏有兩個關鍵詞，分別是“全場景”與“數據智能”。在三年多的發展歷程裏，我們從企業真實的業務場景入手，完成了很多基於真實場景下的技術與業務沉澱。同時基於DataFacts、"},{"type":"link","attrs":{"href":"https:\/\/xie.infoq.cn\/article\/f50e9adaf6a97e7f6a00ebb70","title":"xxx","type":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"FastData"}]},{"type":"text","text":"、"},{"type":"link","attrs":{"href":"https:\/\/xie.infoq.cn\/article\/aa91f437fce154d05fd765603","title":"xxx","type":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"OpenKube"}]},{"type":"text","text":"等數據智能底層產品，我們又開發出很多面向場景的數據智能業務。而且在國內的企業服務市場上，全場景與數據智能也是企業順利進行數字化轉型的關鍵。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"因爲數字化轉型一定要抓住數據的本質，把數據應用出來纔是數字化的目的。並且這裏的數據應用不是單純的數據技術問題，而是數據通過與應用相結合並不斷產生創新的過程，因此在數據技術方面的深耕也是滴普科技始終堅持的方向。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ"},{"type":"text","text":"：我瞭解到滴普已經服務了OPPO、百麗、格力等衆多企業，那麼想問問滴普在這些企業的過程中扮演了一個什麼樣的角色呢？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"楊磊"},{"type":"text","text":"：在滴普科技的服務過程中發現，無論是轉型過程中的痛點還是上線一個新功能對業務所造成的影響，客戶永遠是那位最瞭解自身業務、最能夠對結果進行準確預測的角色。因此滴普科技是以『夥伴』的關係參與到企業的數字化轉型過程中，因爲滴普科技明白，與這些企業的合作最終一定是雙方共贏的合作。我們會在充分尊重企業主體意願的前提下發揮自身的技術優勢，這樣我們也能與這些企業保持緊密的聯繫，在推出重要產品時也能與他們有更及時地互動。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ"},{"type":"text","text":"：能請您簡單介紹一下“全場景”的含義嗎？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"楊磊"},{"type":"text","text":"：本質上，『全場景』屬於業務的範疇，特殊性隨時都會出現。即便是在執行同等業務過程中，不同企業所面對的用戶、應用場景不一樣，所遇到的問題也是不一樣的，所以全場景是對客戶業務服務的圈定。而滴普的產品之所以能夠做到基於全場景的數據智能，是因爲滴普並不是在做行業級應用，而是希望能夠與一路同行的生態應用夥伴共同完成整個業務的落地。所以，全場景既是對我們技術的要求，也是對企業數據處理的要求，是一家企業在轉型路上所必須面對的問題。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ"},{"type":"text","text":"：這是否代表你們已看到未來數字化轉型的趨勢，能否結合案例說明一下？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"楊磊"},{"type":"text","text":"：現在各種行業都在講數字化轉型，但這個概念對於不同的企業往往具有不同的內涵。對於滴普來說，主要有以下三個關鍵點。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"第一，雲原生能力。雲原生的核心是把技術的公平性重新回饋給廣大企業客戶，而不是被大廠綁定，即提升技術服務的民主化。因此企業在應用雲原生能力過程中，也必須要求技術的民主化，這就要求企業不能對某種技術產生過度依賴。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"第二，圍繞數據。儘管過去很多企業已經建立了大規模的數據中心，但基於數據驅動業務的場景基本上還處於零。因爲他們對如何使用數據，怎樣把數據有效地關聯起來等方面並不熟悉。以滴普曾經服務過的企業爲例，該企業旗下一個品牌的商品標籤就能達到10多萬條的量級。其實發掘這些數據標籤的過程，就是建立企業數據標準的過程。但是該企業並沒有意識到，自然也無法對數據進行應用、運營、指導門店、優化倉儲物流等後續操作。而這些，恰恰正是數字化轉型裏最具有生命力的部分。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"第三，對數據處理技術的要求越來越高。過去，很多企業僅僅使用單個數據庫就能完成對業務的支撐。但如今隨着應用場景和用戶體量的豐富，數據量也呈指數化增長。此時，數據處理與存儲就成爲企業能否高效應用數據的重要因素。所以滴普投入了大量精力來打造自身底層的數據處理能力，就是爲了去提升企業的數據處理效率。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ"},{"type":"text","text":"：目前國內的企業對"},{"type":"link","attrs":{"href":"https:\/\/www.infoq.cn\/article\/6Ncm4WEIqdZFi07H0hDA","title":"xxx","type":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"數字化轉型"}]},{"type":"text","text":"還有很多迷茫的地方，企業從接觸概念到理解並應用之間也是存在一個過程的，滴普科技是如何幫助企業快速打消疑慮的？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"楊磊"},{"type":"text","text":"：這裏有兩個層面的含義。第一是滴普的認知始終要比客戶的認知高一點，因爲我們只有看到行業裏的技術、業務場景、商業模式的變化，纔能有針對性地提升自身的技術實力，讓技術始終都是滴普數字化生態的重要組成部分，才能更加精準高效地服務客戶。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"另一方面，在商業裏，客戶對於數字化的感知度最終一定會迴歸到如何解決業務難點這類具體的層面上。儘管在此之前大部分的企業基本都已經完成了信息化的改造，但信息化只是採用 IT 手段來解決傳統人力效率低下的問題，這只是暫時性地轉移業務痛點，關於如何做數據分析、如何用數據指導企業運營等這些高階層面真實存在的痛點依然需要數字化去解決。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"  "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ"},{"type":"text","text":"：滴普科技已經有了 DataFacts、FastData、OpenKube這三款技術產品，這三個技術與Deepexi DXP之間的關係是怎樣的？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"楊磊"},{"type":"text","text":"：首先 Deepexi DXP 是面向商業的統一運營平臺，也是滴普科技數字化能力的集成平臺。對於OpenKube、FastData、DataFacts 來說，Deepexi DXP具有承上啓下的作用。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"之所以滴普的技術產品能夠與市面上絕大多數產品共存，最主要的原因就是滴普所有的能力都是基於雲原生所開發的。DXP 平臺可以在滴普的 FastData 上運行，也可以基於第三方平臺運行，滴普將自主可控的選擇權交給了企業，這是滴普的核心設計理念。但是如果要追求高效的數據處理模式，FastData + Deepexi DXP依然是最便捷、效果最好的組合。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ"},{"type":"text","text":"：經過幾年的蟄伏，到現在雲原生的概念可以說是實現“破圈”了，您認爲雲原生態概念大火的原因是什麼？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"楊磊"},{"type":"text","text":"：雲原生其實在幾年前就火了。不過之前的雲原生比較浮躁，今年才逐漸迴歸到本質。在我看來，雲原生的屬性並非技術，而是文化。因爲雲原生的核心就是不希望技術被大廠綁定，不希望讓一些所謂的技術官僚來剝奪大家的技術選擇權，這是產品文化的概念。通過社區的力量和雲原生的技術產品，把更多的選擇權交給用戶，這是技術發展的大趨勢。畢竟，是開源讓技術產生了更強的生命力。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ"},{"type":"text","text":"：對於有數字化轉型需求的企業來說，使用雲原生技術是他們的真實需求嗎？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"楊磊"},{"type":"text","text":"：是的。一般對於企業來說，IT 部門在一定程度上就相當於成本部門，所以需要解決的核心問題就是成本問題，即如何實現降本增效。舉個例子，如果不使用雲原生技術，一家企業在一朵雲上所使用的技術，會與該雲廠商產生極強的綁定關係。彼時如果企業如果看到了效果更好、成本更低的雲平臺，業務遷移的成本將會非常高。但是雲原生技術則可以節省底層產品的使用成本，讓業務遷移的成本代價忽略不計，這就是雲原生的價值。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ"},{"type":"text","text":"：今年年初，滴普科技入選了"},{"type":"link","attrs":{"href":"https:\/\/www.infoq.cn\/article\/G9TWMLEGblXgy0rI0NNs","title":"xxx","type":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" InfoQ 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