對話阿里、螞蟻、華爲三大企業開源領袖：如何在企業內部建設開源文化？

{"type":"doc","content":[{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"2021年10月19日-22日，雲棲大會在杭州召開。InfoQ編輯受邀擔任雲棲大會開源引力峯會“開源文化”圓桌主持，圍繞企業開源文化建設這一主題，與來自阿里巴巴、螞蟻集團、華爲三家企業的開源技術大佬展開對話。本文將圓桌對話內容整理如下，希望能給關心企業開源文化建設的朋友提供一些參考。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"blockquote","content":[{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#a5a5a5","name":"user"}}],"text":"圓桌嘉賓介紹："}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#a5a5a5","name":"user"}}],"text":"賈揚清 - 阿里巴巴副總裁，阿里雲計算平臺事業部高級研究員"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#a5a5a5","name":"user"}}],"text":"何徵宇 - 螞蟻集團研究員，創立和領導了開源項目 gVisor"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#a5a5a5","name":"user"}}],"text":"堵俊平 - 開放原子基金會 TOC 主席，Apache 軟件基金會 Member，華爲雲與計算開源業務總經理"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#a5a5a5","name":"user"}}],"text":"蔡芳芳 - InfoQ 資深編輯"}]}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"image","attrs":{"src":"https:\/\/static001.geekbang.org\/infoq\/bc\/bc9aad15d288a7361e575370d2ab8e44.png","alt":null,"title":null,"style":[{"key":"width","value":"75%"},{"key":"bordertype","value":"none"}],"href":null,"fromPaste":true,"pastePass":true}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" 近幾年開源在國內的熱度越來越高，現在不光是互聯網大廠，只要是以技術爲核心的公司都越來越重視開源了，這其中既包括越來越多地採用開源技術，還有更多地參與開源貢獻，在開源社區打造自己的影響力。但開源並不只是簡單地把自己的代碼開放出去給大家使用，或者把已經開源的代碼引入進來，開源其實自有一套獨特的理念和文化體系，還有一些社區約定俗成的行爲準則，而很多人其實並不熟悉這套東西。另一方面，對於企業來說，如果企業在技術選型中使用了開源技術，他們也需要知道如何讓內部版本與社區版本進行同步、互惠互利。這些其實都涉及到一個關鍵問題，就是企業內部開源文化培育，如何幫助員工更好地理解開源的文化、理念、做事方法，進而做好開源協作。這次我們非常榮幸請到了三位開源領域的技術大牛，跟大家聊一聊這個話題。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"現在業內大家對於企業開源文化建設這件事似乎默認爲很重要，但並沒有看到太多關於爲什麼這件事很重要的討論。今天在開始討論怎麼建設開源文化之前，我覺得我們有必要先聊一聊，"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"爲什麼企業需要建設開源文化？開源文化對企業的重要性體現在哪些方面？"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"請三位老師聊聊自己的看法。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"image","attrs":{"src":"https:\/\/static001.geekbang.org\/infoq\/96\/9655f596fc0c1a39a6ef416b9b830629.png","alt":null,"title":null,"style":[{"key":"width","value":"75%"},{"key":"bordertype","value":"none"}],"href":null,"fromPaste":true,"pastePass":true}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"何徵宇："},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"我先說一下，拋個磚。我的職業生涯是從Linux內核開發開始的，它也是在全球範圍內規模比較大的開源組織。在這十年經歷裏面我意識到一件事情，就是對於基礎軟件，我認爲現在整個數字世界本質上就是構築在開源軟件之上的，"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"對於任何企業的決策者來說開源都是一個不可迴避的問題。"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"從螞蟻集團的角度出發，我們既是開源軟件的使用者也是貢獻者，因爲我們很清楚地知道開源對於螞蟻基礎軟件發展的重要性。軟件都是會發展的，如果不在一個更大、更廣闊的世界裏面創新，某種意義上會被軟件的發展所淘汰，這是我們很早就意識到的問題。所以我們不再只是使用開源軟件，還積極投身開源基金會，也貢獻了一些項目出來，希望更積極地回饋社會，也希望在行業裏面展現螞蟻的實力。 "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"image","attrs":{"src":"https:\/\/static001.geekbang.org\/infoq\/36\/36173d98c0a114525138f4f71548481a.png","alt":null,"title":null,"style":[{"key":"width","value":"75%"},{"key":"bordertype","value":"none"}],"href":null,"fromPaste":true,"pastePass":true}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"賈揚清："},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"我最開始做開源還是基於非常樸素的願望，就是做一個東西分享給大家。那今天我想從一個開發者的角度轉向企業和社會的視角，從經濟學的角度來看開源。"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"生產要素的標準化其實是對整個社會發展有利的"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"，古文裏面說秦朝當時是怎麼發展起來的，就是"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"書同文、車同軌，標準化以後可以讓我們聚集起來做更大的事情"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"。科技領域最重要的生產要素是代碼、人工智能算法等等，這一系列東西通過開源標準化之後就能夠讓更多人協同起來，達到1+1大於2的效果，而不是說每個人都開發一個不一樣的語言、不一樣的算法體系。這就是爲什麼現在企業都不再藏着掖着的緣故。今天人是最大的成本，機會成本是最大的成本，如果沒法實現高效的快速迭代，就損失了非常多的可能性。"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"現在企業更多會從封閉模式走向開源模式，把蛋糕做大，大家都可以在裏面獲得最大的收益。"}]},{"type":"parag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is cheap,show me the code”，不要講太多，要實幹，把實踐的東西拿出來。這些理念也慢慢走進了IT研發企業，改變了企業原本的文化，讓大家更加貼近當前主流的全球浪潮。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ：既然開源文化對企業如此重要，那到底應該怎麼去做？我們可以看一看開源做得比較好的企業的實踐經驗。我首先把問題拋給揚清老師，揚清老師之前在硅谷工作過好些年，您自己也開源過Caffe這個AI框架，能否跟我們聊聊您觀察到的硅谷公司和阿里分別是如何去培養內部員工的開源意識的？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"賈揚清："},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"我們經常有的時候吐槽說國外開源做的好，國內開源做的不好，好像是人不行一樣。我覺得有一句話說的特別好："},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"“這個世界上沒有笨蛋，只有沒有定好的優先級。”"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"我想從技術和人這兩個角度來講我觀察到的區別。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"從技術的視角來看，開源之後到底是見光死還是能跟社區玩起來，背後有很多技術因素在影響。如果我們只是簡單搭一個腳手架，沒有標準的測試、文檔，這種情況說實話很難協同。在公司裏面本身有一個很現實的問題，公司裏的人來來去去的，天然就需要有標準化的測試、文檔體系。因此像硅谷在開源方面做的比較好的公司，就會從技術層面構建起標準化的開發、測試、部署、上線、文檔這一系列流程，使得大家在想合作的時候能更容易。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"第二可以從人的角度來講，"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"如果企業單純地只看業務效果，那很多時候工程師就很難有時間去做開源"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"，這個時候在企業裏面就需要一些政策引導。比如說在阿里，阿里有一個開源委員會，跟其他的業務是平行的部門，這個開源委員會專門負責拉通整個開源政策和方法論，通過這樣Top down的模式可以讓大家更多看到企業對於開源的重視程度。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"通過技術和人的協同驅動，國內公司逐漸也可以做到跟硅谷公司一樣或者更好的開源文化。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ：我來總結一下，揚清老師提到一方面要通過標準化的協作流程，讓大家更容易協作，另一方面在政策或者戰略甚至組織上做一些傾斜，鼓勵大家更好地參與開源。何徵宇老師是谷歌gVisor的作者，來螞蟻之前也在硅谷工作了挺長時間，下個面請您跟我們聊聊，您觀察到的硅谷公司又是怎麼去培養員工開源文化和開源意識的？有沒有不同的思路？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"何徵宇："},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"有不同，但是也沒有那麼不同。我以前因爲一直在美國，第一次知道螞蟻並不是因爲支付寶，而是因爲螞蟻開源的前端項目Ant Design，因爲這個項目才知道支付寶、螞蟻到底是幹嘛的。螞蟻一直以來都有開源的基因和文化，我到了螞蟻以後感觸最深的是，在這裏能見到類似在硅谷看見的一羣熱愛開源並且願意投身開源的工程師，他們真的非常願意跟行業或者社會分享代碼。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"我們在螞蟻內部發現，大家都有非常多的開源訴求，先不說在外部開源，內部就有很多訴求，所以我們也在做一些內源社區，建設更多標準化流程。一個項目從企業開源出來之後只管生不管養的現象越來越少。另外我們也鼓勵內部工程師，不管在業務代碼還是基礎設施的代碼上面，更多用代碼交流，"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"開源文化本質上是工程師文化的一部分，對科技企業的文化是很好的引領和補充"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ：下面有請堵老師，堵老師目前在華爲負責華爲雲與計算開源業務，之前在騰訊的時候也負責過開源相關的工作，請您跟我們說說騰訊和華爲分別又是怎麼去培養員工的開源文化和開源意識的？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"堵俊平："},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"因爲離開騰訊的時間比較久了，我就簡單地分享兩個點。第一個就是騰訊比較早就成立了開源辦公室，同時還有一個虛擬組織叫開源聯盟，這種虛實結合的組織可以比較有效地進行開源文化的推廣。第二個，騰訊大概兩三年前開始做開源協同，是自上向下推進的，公司內部做了很多關於價值觀的討論，我覺得是一個值得借鑑的事情。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"關於華爲的開源文化建設也有很多東西可以講。第一，華爲在中國公司當中是很早就有貢獻上游意識的企業，我十幾年前加入Apache基金會的時候就跟華爲工程師打過交道，華爲在貢獻數量上一直都名列前茅。"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"有一批深刻理解認同並且尊崇開源文化的工程師，是企業做好開源的基礎條件。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"第二，華爲比較有特色的一點是我們有OSDT團隊，是負責開源開發與發展的團隊，介於業務和開源中間。我們經常調侃說"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"業務跟開源兩條線感覺很像跳探戈，不能靠得太近，也不能太遠。"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"所以OSDT這樣的團隊正好處在開源跟業務中間，由同時擁有大量研發經驗、開源社區經驗和佈道經驗的工程師組成的團隊，就能更好地支撐整個開源戰略。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ：非常感謝三位老師的分享，幫我們瞭解到了不同公司內部建設開源文化的不同思路。這裏面可能涵蓋了實打實的物質鼓勵、經驗交流平臺的搭建，還有一些流程機制上的保障，包括居中團隊的建設，這些都是不同企業在建設開源文化方面比較好的做法。我們還有一點時間，我增加一個小問題。大家認爲現在企業推動開源文化建設最大的挑戰是什麼？"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"賈揚清："},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"最大的挑戰我覺得可能是從歷史到將來的中間過程，因爲說實話企業內部的代碼很多，怎麼樣逐漸地走完整個工程升級的過程。"},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"我們都知道目標在哪裏，主要問題是怎麼樣找到合理的路徑走過去。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}},{"type":"strong"}],"text":"何徵宇："},{"type":"text",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