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雲原生時代，CNStack 如何解決企業數字化轉型難題？
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團隊負責人、資深技術專家張軍，花名遊驥，來做相關問題分享。遊驥從雲原生技術的發展聊到雲原生技術中臺產品的規劃以及它的落地實踐案例。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#262626","name":"user"}}],"text":"遊驥主導設計和建設了阿里集團和阿里雲衆多高可用技術產品體系，也是雙 11 穩定性保障基礎技術核心締造者，目前負責雲原生 PaaS 平臺的建設。以下內容節選自"},{"type":"link","attrs":{"href":"https:\/\/www.infoq.cn\/video\/IxPseeTfU9NcZ5rx5eyc","title":"xxx","type":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"當天的分享"}]},{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#262626","name":"user"}}],"text":"，InfoQ 做了不改變原意的編輯："}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" 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Landscape，那是一張非常複雜的技術大圖，上面有很多技術組件，這個理念是好的，但其實不太好去把它用起來，這意味着好的理念不一定能夠真正帶來好的價值轉化。因爲技術太多之後，反而不知道怎麼去用好它，怎樣的用法是最佳實踐，其實是衆說紛紜，沒有一個標準說法的。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":"第二，缺乏統一的規劃和一體化方案。現在很多應用雲原生技術的公司，其實都是以組件化的方式在運用，比如用K8s、容器、微服務、DevOps或者 Service Mesh，但其實都是以組件化的方式在去用。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"color","attrs":{"color":"#494949","name":"user"}}],"text":" 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