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And that this libido and it is could explain all kinds of psychological problems, illnesses, neurosis, psychosis, schizophrenia, everything. And Jung was skeptical.

力比多可以解释各种心理问题、身体疾病、神经症、精神病、精神分裂症等。但荣格对此持怀疑态度。


For Jung he associated the libido with psychic energy, are generally reaching back to Schopenhauer, the will which is sometimes manifest as sexuality, sometimes manifest as creativity, sometimes manifest as activity, various different kinds, creativity could manifest itself in many different ways, not always as sexuality. Jung was coming from that kind of a general orientation.

对于荣格而言,他将力比多与精神能量联系在一起,这基本上可以追溯到叔本华,意志有时表现为性欲,有时表现为创造力,有时表现为行为,各种不同的形式,创造力可以以许多不同的方式表现出来,而不是总以性欲的方式。荣格对力比多的解释是来自那些普遍的方向。


So they were also searching for their explanations the each energy at meaning of neurosis and psychosis, mental illnesses.

因此,他们也在寻找每种能量在神经症、精神症和心理疾病上意义的解释。


What makes them psychotic and doesn't have any kind of meaning?

是什么让他们患了精神病的?没有任何意义吗?


So, Freud’s methodology was to let the attention of the patient back to the childhood and early experiences to try to explain what was the first cause of with later show itself up as show itself as  a neurotic symptom or as a psychotic problem.

结果,弗洛伊德的方法是让病人的注意力回到童年和早期的经历,以第一次出现神经质症状或精神病问题的原因,来试图解释是什么导致后来的精神疾病。


And again Jung was somewhat skeptical because he felt that often being cause of the symptoms was not in the far distant past, it was much closer in time, perhaps even immediate. That erotic symptom could be the result of a strong resistance to facing certain difficult issues in life.

荣格再一次产生一些怀疑,因为他觉得那些症状的起因,往往并不是在遥远的过去,而是更近的时间,甚至是即刻的。这种性症状可能是为了应对生活中某些困难问题的强烈抗拒的结果。


The Jung tended to focus more on the present and the problems in the present moment of the patient, and Freud tended to look back into the early history of the patient for the explanation.

荣格倾向于更多地关注病人的现状和当下的问题,而弗洛伊德倾向于追溯病人的早期历史来寻求解释。

俄狄浦斯情结(Oedipus complex),即恋母情结。是心理学中精神分析学派用语,源于希腊神话故事《俄狄浦斯王》中的人物俄狄浦斯(Oedip-us),无意中杀父娶母的故事。

——摘自百度百科


As when it came to problems psychosis and serious mental illness like schizophrenia, Jung favored a more biological explanation, Freud favored more psychological explanation.

当涉及到诸如精神分裂症的精神问题和严重精神疾病时,荣格更倾向于用生物学的解释,弗洛伊德更倾向于用心理学的解释。


And Jung had much more experience with a severe mental illness, psychoses. Then Freud was a neurologist worked with mostly neurotic patients, many of them young women. Jung work in a psychiatric clinic with heavy, heavy mental illness where people were hospitalized for years, sometimes, most of their lives and his impression was that kind of mental illness had biological causes as well, perhaps some psychological causes.

荣格在治疗严重精神疾病方面有更多的经验。而弗洛伊德是一位神经病学家,大部分治疗的是神经症病人,其中很多是年轻女性。荣格在一所精神科诊所工作,里面的患者都是患有很严重的精神疾病,有的患者已经住院很多年,有的人,他们生命中的大部分时间都在医院。他的印象是那些精神疾病有生物学上的原因,也有心理学上的原因。


And also they were searching for of what we call elemental structures of the psyche, what are the basic root structures of the human psyche.

他们也在寻找我们所谓的心理基本结构,即人类心理的最根本的基础结构是什么。


And Freud would focus on the Oedipus problem as being fundamental to every person’s psychological development and Jung again went in a more general direction and talked about a variety of archetypes, archetypal images and developed from there the idea of a collective unconscious.

弗洛伊德将每个人的心理发展的基础聚焦在俄狄浦斯问题上,荣格再一次采用了更普遍的方向,认为心理发展的基础是各种原型,原始意象,并从那里发展出了集体无意识的概念。


Freud and Jung also became very involved into personal to develop a very strong close relationship during these years when Jung was studying with Freud from 1907 to 1913 basically.

从1907年到1913年,荣格基本上是与弗洛伊德一起学习,在这些年里,弗洛伊德和荣格也发展出了非常稳固的私人关系。


And Freud was one of Jung's great teachers, he wasn't the only great teacher of Jung, but it was very important one and Jung admired him and looked up to and learned a great deal from him.

弗洛伊德是荣格的杰出老师之一,但他不是荣格的唯一杰出老师,但却是很重要的一位老师。荣格钦佩他,景仰他,并从他那里学到了很多东西。

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