店匠科技CTO夏冰:打造專業、穩定、開放的全球化電子商務解決方案 | QCon

{"type":"doc","content":[{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"《2021中國出口跨境電商發展報告》顯示,2021年中國出口跨境電商交易規模將從2020年的6.7萬億元增長到7.73萬億元。預計未來3年,整個市場交易規模或將突破9萬億元。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"海外市場顯現出的巨大吸引力推動國內賣家紛紛轉型跨境電商。這也導致傳統跨境電商模式競爭壓力巨大。如何另闢蹊徑?越來越多賣家將目光投向建立並運營獨立站。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"InfoQ 記者有幸在QCon 2021 全球軟件開發大會上,採訪到了店匠科技的CTO兼聯合創始人夏冰老師,由他親自爲我們講解如何打造專業、穩定、開放的全球化電子商務解決方案。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"以下是視頻採訪內容,爲方便讀者查看,視頻下方也附上了文字內容。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"embedcomp","attrs":{"type":"video","data":{"id":"431876","name":"店匠.mp4","poster":"","url":"https:\/\/media001.geekbang.org\/7b71946efedf4407bf91ccddba7d0b8f\/f07ce6e6e7b84ba89cef5e847be2cbc4-f3897a81ec6d21d27cd076a5b7c8d54b-sd.m3u8"}}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"夏冰老師您好,很高興您能來參加"},{"type":"link","attrs":{"href":"https:\/\/qcon.infoq.cn\/2021\/shanghai?utm_source=infoq&utm_medium=conference","title":"xxx","type":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"2021Qcon全球軟件開發大會"}]},{"type":"text","text":",也很榮幸能採訪到您。首先請您簡單介紹一下自己和店匠吧!"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"我叫夏冰,是店匠科技的CTO,一直從事軟件研發相關的工作,之前曾在百度的國際化部門負責國際化產品的後端研發。2017年和團隊一起創立了店匠。店匠是一家提供電子商務解決方案的SaaS公司。幫助客戶可以在線上更快地開展零售業務。和之前的一些開源方案,比如WordPress或者Magento相比,我們的產品是能夠開箱即用的,沒有安裝過程,此外產品的功能迭代也會比開源項目更快一些。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"我們接下來開始今天正式的採訪。出海電商領域這兩年非常火熱,也有很多的第三方平臺湧現,對於賣家來說有着非常多的選擇,您認爲自助建站相對於第三方平臺的優勢在哪兒?並且賣家一般出於什麼原因會選擇自主建站呢?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"首先從全球電商市場的份額來看,自主建站是非常主流的方式。當然,可能在中國的份額沒有第三方平臺那麼高,但是在大部分國家的份額是非常高的。自主建站的好處有兩點。第一,對於想打造品牌或者想打造自己風格的賣家來說,自建站是非常好的載體,因爲本質上來說,賣家對網站包括視覺風格及其他方面控制程度比較高。第二,自建網站相比在平臺上,客戶的數據的沉澱會做得更好一些,包括對數據的採集、對關鍵數據的分析都會更靈活一些。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"目前比較主流的建站的方式是有自主建站、開源建站、SaaS建站,您覺得不同類型的賣家對於三種方式該如何進行選擇?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"我們不太推薦自己搭建一個網站出來,這樣可能整體效率比較低。而且現在從全球的趨勢來看,比較大的獨立站裏面用SaaS方案的比例是最高的,而自主建站的方式比例在越來越小。相比開源的方式來說,還是我剛纔說的,因爲我們是開箱即用,所以我們的迭代速度更快一些。其實我們在整體的開放性上,不管是我們生態中的合作伙伴的數量,還是我們生態裏面APP的迭代速度,都會比開源的方案有優勢。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"確實SaaS建站是非常便捷的方式。很多賣家會選擇平臺+自主建站雙軌的模式,瞭解到店匠能夠實現平臺一鍵遷移和無需編程快速搭建獨立站,這背後依託怎樣的技術?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"因爲電商是一個很複雜的系統,涉及很多領域,整體的業務模型是很複雜的。我覺得從一個很宏觀的角度來說,店匠整個系統是雲原生的應用,已經跑了大量的微服務,基於這種架構我們能夠快速地迭代和拓展我們系統的一個能力的方面。至於你剛纔說到的,客戶可以用無編程的方式配置非常個性化的網站,我覺得從技術上來說,還是基於我們在底層有一套專門爲電商的邏輯打造的一套模板系統,本質上來說我們的前端同學是在整個拖拽建站的界面上操作這個模板系統,讓客戶得到比較個性化的網站。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"對於出海賣家和其用戶來說,店鋪的信息安全和數據安全非常重要。隱私權信息交流中心的一組數據顯示,數據泄露後,80%的消費者將不會在此品牌消費,在信息安全及合規方面,店匠是如何做的?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"第一,我們非常重視消費者的用卡安全,這是每個電商系統或者平臺首要需要保障的東西,就是用戶信用卡的信息不能泄露。在這方面,我們做了很多安全上的努力,我們通過了1級 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