店匠科技CTO夏冰:打造专业、稳定、开放的全球化电子商务解决方案 | QCon

{"type":"doc","content":[{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"《2021中国出口跨境电商发展报告》显示,2021年中国出口跨境电商交易规模将从2020年的6.7万亿元增长到7.73万亿元。预计未来3年,整个市场交易规模或将突破9万亿元。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"海外市场显现出的巨大吸引力推动国内卖家纷纷转型跨境电商。这也导致传统跨境电商模式竞争压力巨大。如何另辟蹊径?越来越多卖家将目光投向建立并运营独立站。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"InfoQ 记者有幸在QCon 2021 全球软件开发大会上,采访到了店匠科技的CTO兼联合创始人夏冰老师,由他亲自为我们讲解如何打造专业、稳定、开放的全球化电子商务解决方案。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"以下是视频采访内容,为方便读者查看,视频下方也附上了文字内容。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"embedcomp","attrs":{"type":"video","data":{"id":"431876","name":"店匠.mp4","poster":"","url":"https:\/\/media001.geekbang.org\/7b71946efedf4407bf91ccddba7d0b8f\/f07ce6e6e7b84ba89cef5e847be2cbc4-f3897a81ec6d21d27cd076a5b7c8d54b-sd.m3u8"}}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null}},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"夏冰老师您好,很高兴您能来参加"},{"type":"link","attrs":{"href":"https:\/\/qcon.infoq.cn\/2021\/shanghai?utm_source=infoq&utm_medium=conference","title":"xxx","type":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"2021Qcon全球软件开发大会"}]},{"type":"text","text":",也很荣幸能采访到您。首先请您简单介绍一下自己和店匠吧!"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"我叫夏冰,是店匠科技的CTO,一直从事软件研发相关的工作,之前曾在百度的国际化部门负责国际化产品的后端研发。2017年和团队一起创立了店匠。店匠是一家提供电子商务解决方案的SaaS公司。帮助客户可以在线上更快地开展零售业务。和之前的一些开源方案,比如WordPress或者Magento相比,我们的产品是能够开箱即用的,没有安装过程,此外产品的功能迭代也会比开源项目更快一些。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"我们接下来开始今天正式的采访。出海电商领域这两年非常火热,也有很多的第三方平台涌现,对于卖家来说有着非常多的选择,您认为自助建站相对于第三方平台的优势在哪儿?并且卖家一般出于什么原因会选择自主建站呢?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"首先从全球电商市场的份额来看,自主建站是非常主流的方式。当然,可能在中国的份额没有第三方平台那么高,但是在大部分国家的份额是非常高的。自主建站的好处有两点。第一,对于想打造品牌或者想打造自己风格的卖家来说,自建站是非常好的载体,因为本质上来说,卖家对网站包括视觉风格及其他方面控制程度比较高。第二,自建网站相比在平台上,客户的数据的沉淀会做得更好一些,包括对数据的采集、对关键数据的分析都会更灵活一些。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"目前比较主流的建站的方式是有自主建站、开源建站、SaaS建站,您觉得不同类型的卖家对于三种方式该如何进行选择?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"我们不太推荐自己搭建一个网站出来,这样可能整体效率比较低。而且现在从全球的趋势来看,比较大的独立站里面用SaaS方案的比例是最高的,而自主建站的方式比例在越来越小。相比开源的方式来说,还是我刚才说的,因为我们是开箱即用,所以我们的迭代速度更快一些。其实我们在整体的开放性上,不管是我们生态中的合作伙伴的数量,还是我们生态里面APP的迭代速度,都会比开源的方案有优势。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"确实SaaS建站是非常便捷的方式。很多卖家会选择平台+自主建站双轨的模式,了解到店匠能够实现平台一键迁移和无需编程快速搭建独立站,这背后依托怎样的技术?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"因为电商是一个很复杂的系统,涉及很多领域,整体的业务模型是很复杂的。我觉得从一个很宏观的角度来说,店匠整个系统是云原生的应用,已经跑了大量的微服务,基于这种架构我们能够快速地迭代和拓展我们系统的一个能力的方面。至于你刚才说到的,客户可以用无编程的方式配置非常个性化的网站,我觉得从技术上来说,还是基于我们在底层有一套专门为电商的逻辑打造的一套模板系统,本质上来说我们的前端同学是在整个拖拽建站的界面上操作这个模板系统,让客户得到比较个性化的网站。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"对于出海卖家和其用户来说,店铺的信息安全和数据安全非常重要。隐私权信息交流中心的一组数据显示,数据泄露后,80%的消费者将不会在此品牌消费,在信息安全及合规方面,店匠是如何做的?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"第一,我们非常重视消费者的用卡安全,这是每个电商系统或者平台首要需要保障的东西,就是用户信用卡的信息不能泄露。在这方面,我们做了很多安全上的努力,我们通过了1级 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DSS认证,这是卡组织安全的最高等级认证。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"第二,用户隐私方面是一个大的趋势。实际上,大家都需要信息及数据的使用情况更透明化,所以我们在这方面也是做了很多事情。包括我们会在网站上披露,我们采集了哪些用户的信息,这些信息会怎么用,包括细节到我们用了哪些cookie,这些是完全公开和披露的。此外,我们会有一个隐私的APP,这里面会有很多隐私相关的功能,包括消费者可以在我们给客户提供的网站上面进行配置,设置不要跟踪哪些信息。我们现在也正在推进我们整个GDPR合规或者是其他一些国家地区的合规建设。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ"},{"type":"text","text":":马上就11月份了,黑五就快到了,电商技术人员都在紧张备战黑五以迎接流量洪峰的到来。了解到店匠近两年来在提升访问性能和服务稳定性方面做了很多的投入,可以具体聊聊实现了哪些优化吗?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"这是我们公司比较核心的能力。在我看来主要有两个方面,第一方面是落地了很多SRE相关的事件,包括线上的一些容量的管理和我们的监控体系,我们通过线上演练的方式保证黑五或者其他的购物季到来的时候,对于这种突增的流量我们是准备好的。第二方面是我们内部也做了大量的微服务治理工作,保证我们的核心购物链路能够在大部分我们已知的情况下保持稳定。包括服务降级以及服务调用之间的配套管理。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"独立站是不属于任何一个平台,刚刚建立起来的独立站是没有任何流量的,我们怎么帮助卖家进行引流呢?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"因为海外的广告生态目前来说主要还是以Facebook、谷歌为主,像"},{"type":"link","attrs":{"href":"https:\/\/xie.infoq.cn\/article\/f7747af8d078c2b80e2cdda4f","title":"xxx","type":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"TikTok"}]},{"type":"text","text":"或者Snapchat这样的平台也是在慢慢靠近前面的一些巨头。我们做的事情,第一,是和这些大的广告平台或者网红平台做非常深入的技术对接,因为这是我们比较擅长的事情。不光是我们自己有一套比较完整的开放的API体系,我们还会去主动和其他广告投放平台对接。我们对他们的逻辑相对来说是比较熟悉的,因为我们是做这个业务的。客户在店匠上建立他的网站以后,可以很方便做广告投放,包括投放后的数据分析都是非常高效的。另外,在搜索引擎可见性方面我们也做了很多SEO上的优化。客户的网站运行一段时间以后,在搜索引擎上会更容易被搜到或者点击。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"这方面可以结合具体的案例聊一下,就是我们之前做得比较好的一些案例?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"比如说在谷歌投放这块,因为谷歌其实有一套自己的商品库,并且有一套非常复杂的标准,需要符合很多的条件,才能进入到谷歌的商品库。所以这块我们也是做了很多商品的预检、网站的预检、包括优化你的标题去放大在搜索时候的展现机会,让客户首先能更快地把这个商品上传到谷歌的商品中心里面去。然后进去以后的投放效果也会更好一些。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"除了用户的增长,在独立站运营方面目前还存在哪些难点和痛点,店匠是如何帮助卖家进行解决的?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"从客户的实际运营状态来说,国内的电商巨头还是实践了很多无人值守的方式,比如Banner位的自动运营,包括"},{"type":"link","attrs":{"href":"https:\/\/xie.infoq.cn\/article\/e6427b6bae7378b563211a826","title":"xxx","type":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":"千人千面"}]},{"type":"text","text":",让机器挑选和展现它觉得比较适合去展示的内容,不需要太多人工的干预。但是,现在对于我们平台上的中小客户来说,还不具备这个能力。所以如何让中小商户的网站也能够具备这种无人值守的运营包括千人千面的能力,我觉得是当前应该解决的痛点,也是我们正在去努力解决的部分。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"InfoQ:"},{"type":"text","text":"在这方面,我们目前能够帮助中小用户达到怎样的程度?"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","text":" "}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0,"align":null,"origin":null},"content":[{"type":"text","marks":[{"type":"strong"}],"text":"夏冰:"},{"type":"text","text":"目前我们还没有做到100%的程度,但是在很多地方我们已经可以通过自研算法或者合作伙伴提供的算法来实现千人千面以及做一些智能推荐,让消费者能够更快找到他想买的东西。"}]},{"type":"paragraph","attrs":{"indent":0,"number":0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